August 26, 2009
Marijuana Cuts Sexual Pleasure
But if you can't get any I guess this doesn't matter.
Stoners may be trading sexual highs for the chemical kind. Males who smoke marijuana daily are four times more likely to have trouble reaching orgasm than men who don't inhale, finds a new study of 8,656 Aussies.
Observing the mental performance of stoner college roommates convinced me that regular marijuana usage is a bad idea. "Oh wow, I forgot to go to class" and "Oh wow, I forgot I was supposed to meet [name-of-some-hot-babe]". Heavy pot smoking is the road to loserdom.
When I was young and more idealistic I seriously considered going to law school to be a full time advocate for groups like NORML and the like.
During this period the Campus NORML chapter invited underclassmen to attend a get to know NORML meeting with the promise of a screening of the classic Reefer Madness (newly released on DVD at the time).
I got my roomates and a few local layabouts pumped about checking this out and getting involved with the movement so we showed up in what turned out to be an empty room with us and a few other puzzled College students.
After about 15 minutes some officer of the group showed up, had the DVD, and said things would be running shortly... 10 minutes later the President of Campus NORML showed up with a small TV on a push cart sitting on a VCR...
The two "dudes" kinda laughed back and forth for a while - realizing they couldn't play a DVD in a VCR - and then the President was like "Class Dismissed!"
Needless to say - my friends and I realized that - despite our enjoyable casual usage - that smoking every day makes you an F-in MORON!
Therefore - and Randall I know you have a personal bias on this subject - I think all studies that purport to show how people who get intoxicated EVERY day have some sort of social or physical imbalance - are really a no brainer and functionally irrelevant as science.
Sure studies that show long term damage are good - but telling me some people who constantly drink or smoke pot can't function properly - that's kind of redundant ain't it?
Although I no longer partake due to the onerous and unconstitutional legislation in my country - I do feel that - in an enlightened society - the use of psychedelics and other mood altering substances can indeed be benefitial to individuals and even society as a whole.
We are not their yet - and we'll probably need another Reniassance Period before we get their - as a Civilization.
On the other hand, if you're trying to avoid reaching orgasm...
FYI, I do know a couple of very high end individuals that smoke regularly without ill effect. They do make up a rather small proportion of the total though, and their idea of 'regular' is perhaps weekly, not daily.
Your experiences with the NORML guys is very similar to experiences that I have had with those who have smoked marijuana. They are really spacey and forgetful. It can be really irritating to deal with them. My personal observations are that marijuana really does cause brain damage and that this damage does not repair itself completely when one quits smoking marijuana.
Even though I tend to be an advocate of decriminalization of these kinds of drugs, there really are no "safe" recreational drugs out there. All of these compounds are poisons that users ingest in sub-clinical dosage. Ecstasy use has links to Parkinson's disease and psilocybin mushroom consumption is linked to cardiovascular damage. I stay away from all of them.
What a bunch of crap. Pot makes sex like 1000000x better.
As someone who has seriously studied and occasionally used psychedelic drugs I would have to strongly disagree with you.
My background is in Molecular and Cellular Biology and I can confidently assert that Marijuana, Psilocybin, and LSD cause NO known cellular damage at common active doses in the Human Body.
Zero, nada, zilch - sorry charlie - you cannot provide any respected independent evidence to support that assertion.
(now psychological issues, early onset of mental disorders, PTSD, disrupted memory formation, and lasting hallucinations - that it can)
Cocaine, Heroin, Ectasy, Alchohol, Speed, Meth, Oxycotin, methodone - sure - all sorts of damage and chronic problems - but the majority of psychedelic subtances - they are pharmacolgically safer than any OTC medicine you can get at the local drug store.
I'm not advocating their use for anybody - I realized long ago that they don't open any doors of perception to already closed minded indiviuals - but if we are going to discuss this subject - scientifically AND objectively - let's be as honest and transparent about it as possible.
(and realize that Marijuana is no longer smoked but vaporized in medically approved vaporizers)
I can agree with you that most "pot heads" are annoying, ignorant, and flakey - I still prefer their company to say that of Politicians and Banksters however.
Conclusions. Frequent cannabis use is associated with higher numbers of sexual partners for both men and women, and difficulties in men's ability to orgasm as desired.
J Sex Med. 2009 Aug 17. [Epub ahead of print]Click here to read Links
Cannabis Use and Sexual Health.
Smith AM, Ferris JA, Simpson JM, Shelley J, Pitts MK, Richters J.
Australian Research Centre in Sex, Health and Society (ARCSHS), La Trobe University, Melbourne, Australia.
weed may be the road to loserdom... but what do you make of this randall?
You are correct with regards to the available published papers with regards to the hallucinogens. I smoked pot and took psilocybin mushrooms a few times while in high school and have suffered no ill effects from these compounds. However, my experience with everyone I know personally who have used regularly is that they are incredibly spacey and forgetful like the NORML people you described. Perhaps these people were spacey to begin with and that these are the kind of people attracted to this compounds. However, I cannot help but think that their drug use has to have some causation of their spaciness. It most certainly motivates me not to want to try these things again. In any case, these people are often so forgetful that it can be quite annoying.
Steve Sailor thinks legalization of marijuana is a bad idea because it makes people lazy, with more laziness being the last thing that society needs. Al though I disagree with him on the legalization issue, I have to admit that this is a reasonable argument.
My first college roommate (1973) was an actual Merit Scholarship recipient. Not just a finalist, he got money from them. He smoked dope like a nickel bag was a buck (though never in our room, thank goodness). He flunked out in only one semester, which is quite a feat if you think about it. The night before one of his finals he went out and got stoned not once, but twice. He was a great guy but stoning was literally all he ever wanted to do. I never even thought about smoking dope after rooming with him and 32 years later never have.
Sounds like someone lost a girlfriend to a stoner.
I did my share and more of drugs and booze when I was young. Of the folks I went to school with, the ones that have continued with pot are largely unemployable today. Lack of ambition, poor adaptability and general indolence -- taken as a lifestyle for 30+ years -- is a sure road to loserdom.
Pot may delay orgasm, but since when is that a bad thing? High sex is a whole nother thing from sober sex, or drunk sex. It's better. Much better.
But most of the focus here seems to be on the fact that when you smoke pot daily, even when you're not stoned, you're still kinda stoned. That's true. Daily smoking is a mistake, a road to loserdom as you put it.
Libertarians of the pro-pot faction (as opposed to those merely for a studied decriminalization as harm reduction and weakening the more egregiously unconstitutional aspects of the War on Drugs) are kidding themselves about any alliance of convenience with the NORML liberals.
Once pot went mainstream and corporate deep pockets, all of the same lawsuits, taxes and regulations, mandatory employer insurance coverage for the scam that is 'rehab' (plus making it hard to fire non-performing stoners because they can hide behind an addiction 'disease') would rear their heads, just as with tobacco.
When you work in a high profile environment..(lol) The people who smoke pot keep it on the down low from the high and mighty folk. (double lol) There are probably people all around you that got high this morning before work. You just don't know it. Most extreme sports people are almost continuously stoned, guess they are losers too? I'm not condoning daily smoking, it's too expensive, but y'all got sticks up yer buts.
I'll wager it was likely that the pot smokers that missed things probably would miss things without the pot smoking.
These poor aussies just weren't getting the same stuff I'm getting. Take a selective approach to your buys and your women and the rest will work itself out.
I had a roommate my last year in college who had just finished law school.
After graduation, while I still lived with him, he got a job as law clerk for a frickin' federal judge, a chance that could make his career.
He religiously kept the weed going, with an after work ritual of Rolling Rocks and the bong just like he was still in school.
He didn't have it bad, and AFAIK it never caught up with him, but risking the grave consequences of getting busted to just get a little high (the so called psychological addiction?), betrays an incredibly bad lack of judgment, apart from whatever longer term effect the pot itself may have had.
BTW, with the 'lol' and 'double lol' you're fitting the caricatures nicely.
My college roommate and her high school sweetheart (and eventual husband) drank alcohol and smoked dope every day for 2 years (that I saw) and probably for most of their college years. As I recall, they skipped more classes than they attended and while both started out as "A" students with merit scholarships, they barely managed to graduate in 5 years. The worst part is that their son overdosed in his freshman year of college after taking a lethal combination of drugs and alcohol. Is there a connection? I don't know, but I suspect their behavior is explained in part by a need to take risks or get high to feel good about themselves and their lives.
I know this guy who never did drugs. He is doing hard time and will never get out. We could go back and forth all day. It's Friday, I'm out. Have a good night folks.
Deliberately choosing Loserdom should be part of our personal freedoms.
Really, don't we have a choice in how hard we work and how hard we strive? One can choose a low consumption, high dopeyness life. Some people always have and some always will.
The problem is how much such losers mooch off society. Can one still buy a bag of dope with food stamps?
As to the study's conclusion, antihistamines are also good remedies for premature ejaculation.
Too much of anything is bad for you - who'd have guessed?
There is a difference between "Use" and "Abuse" and it's more than just the letters "ab". Funnily, the big pot smokers at my college that I personally knew in the Engineering dept all graduated at the tops of their classes.
"marijuana cuts sexual pleasure"
Sure...if you use it as a condom.
The problem with habitual smoking may be when you start. During adolescence and teenage years, brain development is almost as fast as during toddlerhood. The frontal lobes are undergoing mylenization, which enables faster and better judgment and organization, among other higher-order functions.
If you don't learn how to be responsible as a teenager, you're missing your best opportunity to do so. It is possible to learn these things as an adult, but it is much, much more difficult to force an already-formed brain into new patterns of behavior. If you spend your developmental years stoned, you run the risk of making your life much harder down the road. There's a sizable chance you are, in fact, dooming yourself to Loserville permanently.
Having said that, I know a few guys who spent their college years stoned every day, and they eventually turned themselves around after drifting through their 20s and early 30s. So it's possible to break out of it, but I wonder where those guys would be now if they hadn't spent 15 or 20 years in a daze. What a waste.
THC accumulates in the brain cells...lines dendrites and packs vesicles. Daily use over a long time just ruins your brain. My scholarly articles on this are at the office but you can use Google Scholar if you're so inclined.
You realize of course that it took decades to establish, in the minds of many people, that smoking tobacco caused lung cancer. As you recall, the high association between lung cancer and smoking was explained away, by Big Tobacco, as a spurious association. People who choose to smoke are just more likely to get cancer. I mean, that is what they actually said. So, the common experience that many heavy pot users are losers is explained away with the same logic.
BTW, people who do chest medicine understand that marijuana is damaging to your lungs. So, smoking daily pot is not just an issue with your mental faculties.
Even though weed is one of the most amazing herbs that god has created i only use it once a month just to be on the safe side. I ingest potent doses and have not yet felt any changes in my way of thinking nor have i experienced any negative resolts in my personal/work life. Consume drugs in moderation and they will not
consume your life...