February 01, 2013
Clovis People Not Wiped Out By Comet

What happened to the Clovis culture?

Comet explosions did not end the prehistoric human culture, known as Clovis, in North America 13,000 years ago, according to research published in the journal Geophysical Monograph Series.

Researchers from Royal Holloway university, together with Sandia National Laboratories and 13 other universities across the United States and Europe, have found evidence which rebuts the belief that a large impact or airburst caused a significant and abrupt change to the Earth's climate and terminated the Clovis culture. They argue that other explanations must be found for the apparent disappearance.

The Clovis comet theory has reached zombie status. So then were the Clovis people wiped out by zombies? That creates a new mystery: What wiped out the zombies? Suggestions welcome in the comments.

"The theory has reached zombie status," said Professor Andrew Scott from the Department of Earth Sciences at Royal Holloway. "Whenever we are able to show flaws and think it is dead, it reappears with new, equally unsatisfactory, arguments.

Another theory (and you read it here first): The Clovis people were kidnapped by space aliens. They are now living in a huge zoo planet closer to the Galactic core where other species can come and watch unbelievable humans act in ways that more intelligent species find preposterous.

Share |      Randall Parker, 2013 February 01 07:29 PM 


Comments
askeptic said at February 7, 2013 11:07 AM:

"...Another theory (and you read it here first): The Clovis people were kidnapped by space aliens. They are now living in a huge zoo planet closer to the Galactic core where other species can come and watch unbelievable humans act in ways that more intelligent species find preposterous."

We can observe that in DC!

Steve Skubinna said at February 7, 2013 11:14 AM:

Neolithic assault weapons. You know, high capacity rocks, military style atlatls.

elkh1 said at February 7, 2013 11:18 AM:

The Clovis people were wiped out by zombies. The zombies never die and never fade away. They live on in numerous incarnations as our political class, our lords and masters.

XGropo said at February 7, 2013 11:26 AM:

The zombies were wiped out by space aliens, who settled in North America with the Clovis peoples. Unfortunately, the space aliens became flatulent from the abundance of corn and cocoa, generating copious amounts of methane, which caused global warming. The warming wiped out the Clovis peoples and drove away the space aliens.

Support global warming, protect us from alien invasion!

Greg Blankenship said at February 7, 2013 11:37 AM:

"They are now living in a huge zoo planet closer to the Galactic core where other species can come and watch unbelievable humans act in ways that more intelligent species find preposterous."

Why preposterous? Did they form a govt or something?

Richard Cook said at February 7, 2013 11:42 AM:

They REALLY were wiped out by zombie space aliens that never die but spend spend and spend. Oh yeah.....Washington DC.

cbpelto said at February 7, 2013 11:50 AM:

TO: All
RE: Well....

....until another, more credible theory is advanced, I'd suggest that the cometary event still stands.

There have been five incidents in recorded history in which global weather was adversely impacted. To the point that crop failures and mass famine around the world occurred.

The first is recorded in many cultures, to include archeological finds in what was Troy and Chinese astronomical scrolls that look like comets. Even stylized Thunderbird of the Navajo matches the images from the Trojan pottery and the Chinese scroll. This includes the legend of Gilgamesh and the Biblical Flood.

The latest being the incident that brought down the decrepit Roman Empire and brought on the Dark Ages. Here a French chronicler reported a comet and the Irish gave a report of 'Lords of Light' descending from the sky.

These incidents are recorded in tree ring samples gathered from around the world.

I'm not sure what Sandia and Holloway came up with to back up their report, but I'd like to see it.

Is there a link to their paper?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Comets are not known as an omen of foreboding for no reason.]

harleycowboy said at February 7, 2013 12:02 PM:

Zombie status? Kind of like what Climate change/Global warming/Whatever the nom de juour has become.

Scott M said at February 7, 2013 12:12 PM:

Would it be impolitic to suggest that the Clovis culture was wiped out by other Bering Strait pedestrians?

cbpelto said at February 7, 2013 12:29 PM:

TO: Scott M
RE: A Possbility

Would it be impolitic to suggest that the Clovis culter was wiped out by other Bering Strait pedestrians? -- Scott M

What's the possibility that the Clovis arrived here during an earlier Ice Age when the path was open. And the peoples that wiped them out came across on the last one?

I would think that each Ice Age cause the Bering Straits to allow passage.

The timing might be right. How long had the Clovis people been here? What's the earliest evidence we have?

Regards,

Chuck(le)

Lorenzo said at February 7, 2013 12:56 PM:

Another theory for the onset of the "dark ages" was a supervolcano eruption. There's evidence of it in Antarctic ice cores dating the event around 550 AD/CE. One researcher believes it occurred in the area of Tambora/Krakatoa, and was so large it created the Sundra Strait - separating Sumatra and Java.

As for the comet/airburst theory. it may be incomplete, but so are the theories debunking it. Those debunking efforts are beginning to resemble the criticisms of Alfred Wegener. He went beyond the jigsaw puzzle argument to locate geological structures in both Africa and South America that were laid down at the same time and would have been continuous if the two continents had been joined. The argument was that he hadn't discovered a mechanism for continental movement, so it didn't matter.

The only way these studies are going to kill the "zombie" theory is to propose a compelling alternate theory with a mechanism that explains the physical evidence. Until then, all they're doing is pulling loose threads one at a time in an attempt to unravel the fabric of the theory.

Kelly Parks said at February 7, 2013 12:57 PM:

Zombie apocalypses (apocalypsii?) are clearly cyclic. A virus is not a workable explanation, so I came up with an alternative in my web series, "Universal Dead" (starring DB Sweeney, Doug Jones and Gary Graham): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRxGiuLR9X0&list=SPC325EC6D9594A7D3&index=1

Art said at February 7, 2013 1:00 PM:

Since we all just data in a computer simulation (see computer simulation hypothesis) Clovis never really existed. Then again, neither do we.

Jay Manifold said at February 7, 2013 1:24 PM:

The paper, “Arguments and Evidence Against a Younger Dryas Impact Event,” costs $25 and may be found at http://www.agu.org/books/gm/v198/ (third entry on the Table of Contents tab).

willis said at February 7, 2013 1:43 PM:

Definitely not the comets...way to early for Bill Hailey. Maybe an asteroid, or something even smaller...a half-asteroid perhaps.

another john galt said at February 7, 2013 2:56 PM:

I go for death by bureaucracy. The producers just quit and left to go elsewhere, and the receiving class stayed around until they ran out of food and whatever else could be consumed without any labor. See also several other SW USA indigenous groups for a similar pattern (eg, Hohokam, Anasazi, etc.). Can be currently observed in California in real-time.

RebeccaH said at February 7, 2013 4:14 PM:

I believe the Clovis People are still living here among us, but they're keeping it on the down low.

Dave said at February 7, 2013 8:52 PM:

What happened to the mole people from the age of steam? From the remains of the machinery discovered primarily in mines and tunnels, we know that at one point they had spread across nearly the entire northern hemisphere. Suddenly, somewhere around the beginning of the twentieth century, they simply disappeared. Was this extinction the result of a comet or climate change, no one knows. All that can be said with any degree of certainty is that that they appear to have been replaced by a much more advanced set of hominids employing electricity.

Patrick Carroll said at February 7, 2013 9:12 PM:

Tralfamadore.

cbpelto said at February 7, 2013 11:20 PM:

TO: Jay Manifold
RE: URL

Thanks.

Unfortunately, I'm not a member and can't log-in to read it.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Open research is th epitome of honest research.]

cbpelto said at February 7, 2013 11:32 PM:

TO: Lorenzo
RE: [OT] 550 Super Volcano

"Another theory for the onset of the "dark ages" was a supervolcano eruption. There's evidence of it in Antarctic ice cores dating the event around 550 AD/CE." -- Lorenzo

How would the evidence of a super volcanic event—found in ice cores—differ greatly from a cometary impact? Sulfur content, perhaps. But was sulfur found in the ice cores?

What would be the smoking gun for a cometary impact would be an impact crater, but none has been identified, yet. And if it were a water impact, one would have expected reports of tsunami and possibly deluge from evaporated water returning as severe rain.

There ARE some interesting craters in Argentina(?). A cluster, like large shotgun pellet impacts. But I have no idea of their age. And—free wheeling here—what if the impact had been in the equatorial jungles. The vegetative growth, being so quick there, could possibly cover the blem.

Just EARLY MORNING speculations of a rank amateur.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[So many stupid people, so few comets!]

James Bowery said at February 9, 2013 12:41 PM:

I find it interesting that this topic elicited the highest percentage of joke comments of any Future Pundit story to receive significant comments in recollection.

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